Plastic Surgery Is Quickly Becoming the New Lobotomy?
Question by Kris: Plastic surgery is quickly becoming the new lobotomy?
unless it used for reparative purposes like victims of crimes or abuse that has literally scarred them… i think it is the equivalent of damaging healthy tissue just like in a lobotomy
pangolin… i stated reconstructive purposes are useful if a person wishes to relieve some pain or some deformity….but get real women who look like little boys… and i am the problem… you are the problem saying women look like little boys
big breasts do not make a woman a woman… wake up … boobs are boobs nothing more nothing less
you say who am i to judge and then you judge me
as for turkey neck as you so lovingly refer to a natural aging process… somehow people aged gracefully years ago without plastic surgery…
if women who have breasts that are so big they find them bad for their back (i’d suggest exercise) if that doesn’t pay off then sure surgery would be useful because their not doing it for image they are doing it for pain relief
big noses… as for that… i’ve dated and been attracted to men who have as you say big noses… and i know women who have big noses and are attractive… and if their not attractive the nose is just the tip of the ice berg perhaps
its called the awkward years… could possibly be the awkward decades (more accurately) but eventually you come to terms with the things you have and the things you don’t have and you learn to love yourself…
a bigger or smaller chest can be immensely healing? well then that is because women have poor self esteem… men grow up and stop caring about superficial things (hopefully) and whether or not that happens many women will eventually just understand if superficiality is all a guy cares about then he is not worth it
beauty is more than skin deep
i am not void of a past… i have had moments where i’ve obsessed over my self image but i was fortunate to not to ever had to have it dictate me strong enough to have surgery
people are always going to find something to pick on you for… i don’t think you are ever in the clear there… so what are you going to shrink and grow breasts according to what is “hot”
pangolin: hopefully if i take care of myself my tits will never hang down to my belt… and if when i’m 75 or 80 and they do (assuming i live that long) i will gladly reconsider but lets face it if i made it that far i don’t think i’m going to be thinking about my tits
transgendered – you mean like chaz aka chastity (cher’s daughter)… i’d have to say cher’s many attempts to alter her physical appearance through surgery probably gave chastity the idea that her mother is superficial enough for the both of them… thus she went the opposite and what a surprise began feeling more like a guy… i wouldn’t be surprised if cher’s daughter lack of interest in developing a personality aligning with what cher considers a woman somehow played a role in convincing chastity she was more male
as for people who suffer from addictions and depression or suicidal thoughts… your solution is plastic surgery?
your comment about transgenders “they don’t just get over it one day” – why not? that is their attitude… i’m transgendered and want to have a sex change because i’m a female in a male’s body get over it
i do get it… you are unwilling to detect that i do get it… maybe i never thought i was a man in a womans body but that does not mean i do not get the psychological effects hating yourself
i do get it… you are unwilling to detect that i do get it… maybe i never thought i was a man in a womans body but that does not mean i do not get the psychological effects hating yourself
so anyone who’s ever experimented with drugs, thought about suicide, or had those ABNORMAL as you call it developments should try plastic surgery
the fact that you take an argument which says damaging healthy tissue is not a good idea to mean human beings are bits of tissue shows that you are the one WHO DOESN’T GET IT
Best answer:
Answer by Mathieu
They are much different.
Like you said plastic surgery does have some legitimate use, even if you only consider reconstructive surgery to be legitimate. The thing about the lobotomy is that there is absolutely no appropriate use of it. A number of medical journals (of all medical discipline’s), physicians, and even regular polls have listed the lobotomy as the worst procedure and idea in medical history (at least contemporary history).
It has no value to the patient under any circumstance and could do nothing but “shut-up” patients to allow the attendants working in the old concentration campesque hospitals some peace from the constant shouting, crying, and general hell of patients who only could be treated with drugs like atropine, morphine, and chloral hydrate. Once chlorpromazine, CPZ, (Largactil, Thorazine), one of the most historic drug discoveries in history, was developed in France by Laboratoires Rhône-Poulenc the lobotomy died out, almost overnight. Doctors, trying to develop antihistamines, which CPZ also is, studying the effects of CPZ on psychiatric patients found that many of the patients, even some of the most ill had their psychoses lifted and they returned back to their normal state on CPZ.
Many people have problems with self imagine and for some plastic surgery DOES help. When preformed in moderation plastic surgery is safe and useful. It has also become common for plastic surgeons to consult with psychiatrists (many plastic surgery practices have psych personnel on staff) to ensure that a patient understands the ramifications of surgery and is making healthy and informed decisions. So there is a safely net to help prevent people from having too much surgery.
There was the famous study that women who got breast augmentation had higher rates of suicide. Most people getting plastic surgery are uncomfortable and are in distress over how they look and changing it can truly help. The suicide rate is higher because people getting plastic surgery are more likely to have a pre-existing mental illness and because in some cases plastic surgery does not help at all or it makes things worse.
There is also the issue that living in a free society means people will have the right to do stupid things. That is part of the price.
The reality is the the lobotomy was not necessarily damaging healthy tissue, it was being used on people with psychiatric/neurologic illness. The problem was it tried to fix mental illness in an extreme way that left a person as a shell in most cases. The issue of the tissue being healthy has little to do with anything. People and their problems are not simply bits of tissue- a human is far more complex.
UPDATE:
I think you are missing the point, plastic surgery and body imagine may sound like something black and white and clear cut to you but it simply is not. I have the quote “body and soul cannot be separated for purposes of treatment, for they are one and indivisible. Sick minds must be healed as well as sick bodies” to make the point that physically changing how a person looks can help them, it can heal them psychologically. As a man I would normally not comment on the “big breasts do not make a woman a woman… wake up … boobs are boobs nothing more nothing less” but from a psychiatric view you could not be more wrong. Women- and men- harm themselves, abuse drugs, kill themselves, and become extremely depressed because of how they look. You may think that “boobs are boobs” but tens of thousands of women have a lot of problems with their body image and in some cases yes, a bigger or smaller chest can be immensely healing. Have you experienced or known people to obsess and self district over how they look? I think your view would change if you knew how much body image could effect people.
“Awkward years” is one thing but smoking methamphetamine, cutting, suicide attempts, and anorexia nervosa are NOT normal in human development. And not everyone comes to accept how they look, they hate themselves for their entire life.
What about sex reassignment surgery in a transsexual person? People who are transsexual, not all of whom want surgery, have extremely high rates of suicide, psychiatric illness, being the victim of a hate crime (including murder), and feel uncomfortable with their biological sex and don’t just get over it one day. The same goes for many people. I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE PERSON!! If a person has serious problems due to body image then, after careful consideration, surgery may be appropriate (as it is in transsexual people). For a person to have sex reassignment surgery they must go threw many evaluations and huge amounts of therapy. Your still not getting that body image can cause devastating psychological effects, something it does not sound like you have any idea about.
M.D., C.M. psychiatry, internal medicine (Québec)
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